tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post5992955350871874042..comments2023-05-28T06:48:24.669-07:00Comments on Castigator's Chaos: The Times They Are A ChangingCastigator (Gary)http://www.blogger.com/profile/09177108461264289110noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-38266840785620043642017-09-20T11:47:56.853-07:002017-09-20T11:47:56.853-07:00You could well be right regarding vehicles. It'...You could well be right regarding vehicles. It's just I find it counter intuitive that a unit would get a save in area terrain but not if they are 99% obscured behind it.<br />I'm leaning towards Bikers as an objective grabbing unit for Maelstrom objectives at the moment. 81pts for three bikers that can cover decent ground to claim objectives might be worthwhile.<br /><br />I played at a practice weekend for our Cold Steel Mercs event to trial out the rules and the Terminators proved to be brutal. <br />My first game was against Space Wolves (a traditionally difficult match up) and in my first turn I killed 2 Razorbacks, 2 Dreads, a Predator and a unit of Longfangs!<br />My second game was against Iain's Red Tide (World Eaters), The Termies dropped in and destroyed his Spartan and 2 units of Berzerkers leaving Kharn on 1 wound. <br />I think the only army that they would struggle against is horde types....but that's where the Blastmaster Helbrutes , Noise Marines and Fire Raptor come onto their own ;-)Castigator (Gary)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09177108461264289110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-53688767218522631542017-09-20T04:18:35.535-07:002017-09-20T04:18:35.535-07:00I think, as I can only speculate, that the change ...I think, as I can only speculate, that the change to cover for vehicles was because of how resilient they've become. I realize that 4 lascannons aimed at a vehicle can make short work of it, but generally speaking I find vehicles hold up rather well in 8th, and certainly far better than 7th.<br /><br />So, maybe it was for balance...?<br /><br />A 2 detachment limit is becoming typical at a lot of competitive events. I get why each army doesn't have its own detachments, but I would have loved to have seen it regardless.<br /><br />I'm up in the air on Bikers right now. The 14" movement with a guaranteed 6" advance is great. However, they can't jink, and that was crucial. The extra wound is nice, but in 8th I find that everyone is rocking weapons that are doing D3+ damage, so that it's a moot point. <br /><br />Really, I see Bikers as a screen, or a harassment unit who sits back at 24" with plasma guns. They really aren't made for close combat any more.<br /><br />As for your list, I like it. Terminators have been a surprising gem for Chaos in 8th.Thorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437070475561268098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-19942118219685186282017-09-07T04:04:18.234-07:002017-09-07T04:04:18.234-07:00Lol, what you were implying was how I was hoping t...Lol, what you were implying was how I was hoping the rules would work but unfortunately it isn't.<br />Personally I think it would be better for all infantry to receive a cover save if they are in area terrain and all models 50% obscured should be at -1 to hit. It would give terrain a reason for being on the table rather than just being pretty ;-)Castigator (Gary)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09177108461264289110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-78833433313593104612017-09-07T03:03:49.613-07:002017-09-07T03:03:49.613-07:00Never mind. Re-read the wording and you're rig...Never mind. Re-read the wording and you're right!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-47668171244024394912017-09-07T03:02:05.850-07:002017-09-07T03:02:05.850-07:00Disagree with your reading of the cover rules. The...Disagree with your reading of the cover rules. The current 40K rules FAQ (v1.1 p.3) states that vehicles gain the benefits of cover if:<br />• All of its models must be either on or within the terrain.<br />• The unit must be at least 50% obscured from the point<br />of view of the firer (note that it doesn’t matter what is<br />obscuring the target, only that it is obscured).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-67408448078773206892017-09-05T12:49:40.655-07:002017-09-05T12:49:40.655-07:00Unfortunately I'm struggling to find a role fo...Unfortunately I'm struggling to find a role for Nestor. I will need to build a new Daemon Prince but it won't be an ascended Nestor. I've always seen the Castigators as a cross between Emperor's Children and Night Lords. They (mistakenly) believe that they are the masters of their own destiny and the gifts that Slaanesh grant them are merely tools that they make use of. They're disdainful of possession, which is why they enforce it upon any Sons of Dorn that fall into their hands. They see all Daemons as inferior entities that are entertaining distractions that have their uses but they despise they're fickle nature and would never take orders from anyone who ascended. Because of this my Sorcerer will always be my Warlord rather than the Daemon Prince (probably not the best idea, but Lucian was always the guiding hand behind the Castigators).<br /><br />I haven't used Terminators since 3rd edition which is why my painted Termies are still armed with Sonic Blasters and a Blast Master. I have 20 Termies knocking about and thought I'd give them a go. I have this idea about building an army that is more than happy to go second (I'm of the firm opinion that 8th has a serious problem with alpha strike). Part of me wants to build a list with 6 units of cultists and then deepstrike another 6 units that are loaded up to do serious damage but I think such an extreme army would encourage Tau to load up on Interceptor units (if they still have them??). The Terminators, while points heavy, give me the opportunity to try a more balanced approach to this idea.<br />They'll deepstrike in with the Sorcerer and the Daemon Prince to make use of their psychic support (Prescience, Warptime & Delightful Agonies). They should kick out some serious fire power (especially if I use the Slaanesh Stratagem Endless Cacophony) and will have a reasonable chance of making it into combat.<br />That's the idea anyway and I'll know how feasible this idea is after the weekend once I have a few games under my belt.<br /> Castigator (Gary)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09177108461264289110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-38804112175215325682017-09-05T01:24:04.597-07:002017-09-05T01:24:04.597-07:00So you are making a new Nestor model so?
The ten ...So you are making a new Nestor model so?<br /><br />The ten terminators is a heavy points investment. How do you plan on using them?<br />Still tempting me with a fire raptor...Rory (Stepping Between Games)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11795468944108833350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-43394524788024283422017-09-03T03:38:50.552-07:002017-09-03T03:38:50.552-07:00Unfortunately tournaments are about the only game ...Unfortunately tournaments are about the only game time I'm getting at the moment, so I'm a bit stuck for anything else.<br />Hopefully as winter approaches and the sun disappears for another 6 months, I can lure Rob out of the shadows ;-)Castigator (Gary)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09177108461264289110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-72062589705560943712017-09-03T01:40:39.119-07:002017-09-03T01:40:39.119-07:00Hiya! I have yet to take my Emperor's Children...Hiya! I have yet to take my Emperor's Children out for the new edition, as the old boys of the Alpha Legion have been enjoying themselves lately, but I can't fault your analysis: first-turn deepstrikes followed by a charge as well as the absence of cover are really hurting the army that moves second, irrespective of its faction. <br /><br />I really can't speak about competitive environments as these are not my cup of tea, but just by having a look at what's going on in neighbouring tables one can see the potential problems for casual players like me: superheavies are now universally accepted, as well as Elite-heavy lists with a lot of firepower or melee prowess. <br /><br />I'm glad that the entries in the Troop slot of most armies are good again. These are the meat and bones of any modelling project, and I'm sure quite a few dedicated hobbyists will be appreciating this, not only the ones that cram as many Fliers into their lists! Cheers. The Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14792097153009151296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-25924984552251396612017-09-02T23:26:04.800-07:002017-09-02T23:26:04.800-07:00Cheers buddy Cheers buddy Castigator (Gary)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09177108461264289110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-87181554232362096412017-09-02T23:25:36.693-07:002017-09-02T23:25:36.693-07:00Oh there is plenty to like about 8th, it's jus...Oh there is plenty to like about 8th, it's just that the cover rules feel like an afterthought to me. <br />I'm sure sure Nestor will return one day. Castigator (Gary)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09177108461264289110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-28368134451242150152017-09-02T14:24:00.702-07:002017-09-02T14:24:00.702-07:00Another thought provoking piece my friend. Another thought provoking piece my friend. MikeyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02328645822562528269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9153056688144511913.post-91776262360685537552017-09-02T12:30:07.992-07:002017-09-02T12:30:07.992-07:00Greetings! I am in agreement with you on your revi...Greetings! I am in agreement with you on your reviews about the 8th Edition: there are certainly shameful deficiencies in the rules but, on the other hand, some simplifications have benefited a lot on gameplay ... But maybe being a vile Wordbearer gives me the impression that there is more than the good that not the other way :-)<br />and maybe I see it because I play with a small group of friends and not in a competitive way.<br />Know that your Nestor ended in the field of losers leaves a bad taste in my mouth, not only because it is a gorgeous miniature, but also for the history that oozes from it...Lord Adiatun Varunnnoreply@blogger.com